Arrogant Angel

Sunday, August 13, 2006

Defending Rose DesRochers

I am not a difficult person and I get along pretty well with everyone. The point of this blog post is to reply to a few lies some women are posting about a friend of mine Rose DesRochers. I have commented on each one of their comments, one by one. I hope this doesn’t get confusing for you. I was naturally curious to find out what might be motivating all this childish behavior and something’s that I found on Katie’s blog might be the answer to the question.

This comment concerning Rose was written by Indigo Black.
Even though she claims to believe in forgiveness and giving people second chances, she'll ban anyone from her website at the drop of hat and even though Jeff and Devrie Paris have not had any contact with her in months, she still has, and frequently refers to, The Shrine that she has devoted to them on her website.

This comment concerning Rose was written by Katie.
And, as far as smear campaigns, I suggest one google Invision Graphics Jeff Devrie. There are two forums available where they are smeared over and over again, one being 12 pages long, and they were never allowed to comment or defend themselves. I would give the links, but I have been banned.

This comment concerning Rose was written by Katie.
BTW, I also discovered that they banned my IP address to Invision Graphics also, which one can also get in by Proxy. They might as well just un-ban me, because if I want to view the sites, it is real simple to do. Nothing new there though, but yesterday, I did notice that on March 22 she must have put a dozen alerts down concerning Jeff. I am glad he is ignoring them. Katie

This comment concerning Rose was written by Indigo Black.
This is exactly why she is engaging you. Jeff and Devrie are ignoring her baiting and thus, as Ms. Karen said, she must go into search of someone else who will make her a victim.

Then it occurs to me that this may all be a campaign to get Rose to remove this warning about Jeff.

What these people don’t understand is that this Jeff character repeatedly harassed Rose and her husband. 5 months ago in March Jeff purchased and He obviously wasn’t ignoring her then. Rose has been bullied enough by this guy. She doesn’t deserve to be harassed now by his friends. They are obviously just as bad as he is and that's why they feel the need to defend one of their own.
I was reading CYBERSTALKING-A REAL LIFE PROBLEM and it says that the difference between a normal cyber harasser and a cyberstalker, is this: harasser moves on to others and forgets you and a stalkers will come back to stalk you another day. This all looks like stalking behavior to me. Proof that this woman Katie is just down right cruel.

This comment concerning Rose was written by Katie.
I hate to be unkind, but Rose does posses Psycho behavior. I researched a great deal of information on this type of behavior. Crying victim is one of the traits. Also, she writes about her being sick, and one time when she wrote about going to the hospital for 6 hours in the evening as her children and husband made her go. Thing is, the hospital must have a computer there just like hers, as she was on my sitemeter several times during the time period she said she was there. This is considered a trait of "everyone feel sorry for me."

This is a cruel thing to say, and I really have no pity for her. I do feel sorry for Rose. There must be something that Rose can do. Why are the motives and methods of Katie and her not better understood and dealt with? What type of pleasure do these people get from continuing to post lies about a good person. I recommend that these people purchase a self-help book or something. They continue to say that they don’t care what Rose says, but obviously they care enough to click and read her blog, then post comments on their own blog about her. These comments concerning Rose’s blog posts about Penis and a Masterbateathon were written by Katie and a blogger Ms Karen.

Ms.Karen: Rose certainly is consistant in her inconsistancy. If what I'm reading here is an indication of what's happening on her, talk about tacky.

Katie: Now, who wants to talk penis cutting? Sorry, my bad. Just a joke. And a bad one at that. LOL

Katie: I guess Sex is a big thing with her. I, like many others, find it totally gross of what is on her blog. Apparently her readers like it per the comments there. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

Katie: Karen, I totally agree with you, plus the fact that I know her children read her blog has they have posted comments on them before. I wonder what they think of the recent blogs.

Not everyone is comfortable talking about sex and sexuality. I guess Katie is one of those people who are uncomfortable. If they don’t like it why don’t they quit reading it.

This comment concerning Rose was written by Mid.
I, too, was a favored child until she had a bad day without her meds, and the mask came off, and I felt the ripping of her thorns in my flesh.

I'm taking antidepressants. Does this make me nuts?

This comment concerning Rose was written by Katie.
I have noticed though that anytime I have her name mentioned in my blogs, my sitemeter goes crazy. So, I can't complain to much, as she is good for the ratings

It is patently obvious that the woman can't spell and she is only using Rose to drive traffic to her site.

This comment concerning Rose was written by Ms.Karen.
Her magic wand is probably an attorney or something. Or maybe someone on the Players site forgot their backbone.

This comment concerning Rose was written by Katie.
Ms. Karen, I have no idea why the site took everything off concerning Rose. She probably found something on the site owner and threatened him. Who knows.

Rose told me that she contacted HostGator Abuse about it and they contacted her back and told her that it had been removed. I'll finish by saying this; though I realize that there is far more that I can comment on. This is all so pathetic and childish and I wouldn’t be surprised if it continues. Obviously there are motives behind what these individuals are doing to Rose. If they realized how STUPID they all look maybe they would stop. I'm really sorry that all this is all happening to you Rose.


At 10:38 PM, Blogger Rose DesRochers said...

Steve was going to comment on your post but it is set to allow blogspot bloggers only. Can you change that?

At 10:49 PM, Blogger Sarah Smith said...

I Think I Fixed it lol. Now it's off to bed for me.I got chatting a bit with this real kool guy on MySpace.What makes MySpace so addicting? lol

At 10:54 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes the people messing with Rose have no sense at all, I mean I have known Rose for 4 years and I know the type of person she is.

First off Rose would do anything to help her friends, and is always there to lend an ear from her caring heart when you need to talk.

She is an amazing admin on the TW site along with being a wonderful wife and mother and talented writer too.

She deserves respect and kindness because she is the best person I know.

When you need a friend there's always Rose there for you, to help bring a smile to your face.

The people that are running their mouths are obviously jealous of Rose's success and want to try and belittle her.

I stand by my friends and Rose is the best friend I have.


At 12:29 PM, Anonymous Cparker said...

im sure Rose really appreciates going through all those comments like that! i agree with you, many people just read the slander out there without trying to find out any sense of the truth. atleast there are people out there like you who are promoting it!

At 3:01 PM, Anonymous catpaws of rain said...

re: Slammers

There are some people put on this earth who have nothing better to do with their lives than spread gossip and rumors, and the nastier it is the more enjoyment they seem to get from it. I sometimes wonder if they have any life besides sitting at their computers, phones and hanging over their fences where they spread their false tales.
Some day they will have to answer for their behavour and more pity for them.
I know Rose, and like all of us sure she has a temper, but then so do I and when we have had a disagreement we talked about it and resolved the problem, its to bad that some people never learned to do so, instead they have to run to cyberspace and spread tales.
Sad isn't it.

At 3:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


Wanting stick up for Rose because she is your friend shows me that you have a good heart. However, please realize that Google is a powerful research tool. The complaints against Rose are not coming from just one or two disgruntled people, but rather Rose's journey through the world of Internet writing and scam sites is analagous to Sherman's March to the Sea.

All I ask is that you not trust too much until you gotten to know her better. I wish you all the best.


At 4:09 PM, Blogger Sarah Smith said...

Why do people feel the need to hide behind anonymity? Anonymous I've read enough on the internet about Rose to realize just what is going on here. I think it's disgusting that people would go to such lengths and stoop to such a childish level.What's important here is the relationship between Rose and her many users, not those that have been removed from her forum and now see it as an opportunity to get even.

At 5:05 PM, Blogger Merriam said...

I have known Rose for about a year and a half and I did a lot of research on the different writing communities. I came across all the bad things that were being said about Rose and Todays Woman. After reading about this conflict on Todays Woman, I decided to join this wonderful community. It was a decision that I consider a good one, as I have blossomed there. When I joined Todays Woman I was nervous about putting my poems out for others to see and comment on. However as time went on with encouragement from Rose and others, my self-confidence grew by leaps and bounds.

Some have written that if a person disagrees with Rose her treatment of that person is harsh and are kicked out of Todays Woman. When it comes to political issues and views she and I are at the opposite ends of the spectrum. Rose asked for anyone to comment on President views and United States politics for a project her son was dong. Of course my view apposed what Rose believes. However, she thanked me for my comment from the apposing side and appreciated the comment to help her son out.

I have never known Rose to be anything but a very loving and caring administrator with her members. At times when she is being attacked, Rose has asked that we not comment on her behalf. Sometimes we do comment, but I find myself being so angry at the cruelty, false accusations and down right slander being done to Rose. Many of us stand behind Rose, not because we have to, but because she is NOT the person these people are portraying her to be. In fact Todays Woman is growing daily, and is flourishing. That is the proof of the character of Rose. Not only by the growth of Todays Woman, but also by her behavior over time, which has been a joy to me.

Rose, thank you for being the person you are and I would like you to know that it is an honor to be a member of Todays Woman. It is also an honor to know you and to have such a loving and caring administrator. God bless you Rose.

To My Wonderful Friend Rose.


At 5:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


I chose to be anonymous because I don't want an Inbox full of curses.

I could understand your reasoning if the only people complaining were former members of TW. However, the folks at Fiction Factor, Brady Magazine, Writers Weekly, Writers Net, Absolute Write, EzBoard, ABC Tales, Writer Mag and other places are not all disgruntled former members with grudges. The people who run these sites are not a part of some large conspiracy to "get Rose" because she banned them from TW.

Of course, anyone can have interpersonal problems with a few people. Some people are just going to rub us the wrong way. It's human nature.

But when someone rubs MANY MANY MANY people the wrong way, she needs to look in the mirror and ask herself, "Is it me?" That's what I think Rose needs to do.



P.S. Slander is verbal (and it must be heard by a third party; me shouting insults at you with no one else within ear shot does not constitute slander) and libel is written (and it likewise must be read by a third party; e-mails from me to you are not libelous no matter what they say). Just so your commenters know...

At 11:23 AM, Anonymous Mike Dammann said...

I'm very surprised, I have been reading some of these attacks on Rose, and don't believe that the ones attacking are really that happy with their own lives. Rose is a Super Moderator on one of my forums and doing an excellent job. Me and her agree on little, yet we get along fine. Why does this world have to be so boring that we can only hang out with the ones who agree with everything we do and say?

Mike Dammann

At 12:03 PM, Anonymous indulger2005 (Ray) said...

What can I say in Rose’s defense, nothing for she needs none, with that being said she needs my support, and that she has. It sickens me inside and out, to think that there are such low life forms, which pass as humankind to breathe my air, and spew, such derisory of such an eloquent lady. I find there speech putrid and small minded. I hope they do-not pass themselves off as being intellectuals in thought and purpose, to me they are nothing
More then trailer park debris, sinking in-to the sand, without foundation.

I should like to be the prosecuting juror when they cross Jordon, and pay for there, wickedness in hell.

At 12:55 PM, Anonymous Bob! said...

It sickens me inside and out, to think that there are such low life forms, which pass as humankind to breathe my air, and spew, such derisory of such an eloquent lady.

Ray that was truly a work art, I've made a note of it for future use. Personally I was thinking of childish and pathetic for my description, but I can't think of anything using them to top your's.


At 2:34 PM, Anonymous Rose DesRochers said...

I was never a member of ABCTales or did I post to their boards. I'd be more than happy to share with your readership what actually took place Sarah.

I did have an exchange of words with the owner of AbcTales in 2004, after I invited a couple of the members of that community to join my community. One of my members MrLyric and I had a disagreement about the guidelines of Today's Woman and he went to that thread and began to bad mouth me.

That member and I quickly resolved our issues and he is still a member of our community today. He even returned to the thread and apologized to me, but by this time the damage had already been done.

It resulted in a thread being started on the ABCTales forum, which then turn into several threads being started about me.

The situation got way out of hand. Some of the forum topics were eventually deleted and there have been no problems between ABCTales and myself in a very long time.

I'd like to keep it that way. Abctales has come a long way in two years, like Today’s Woman has and I applaud their success. Anon if you are going to make a comment regarding me, please make sure that you know the entire story.

Many of the members of Writers Mag are members of writers net and writers weekly too. I was never banned from writers net or writers mag. I requested for my account to be removed from writers mag as I was debating with members about Publish America. At that time I had blinders on and like many ex PA authors, I thought PA was everything. Boy was I wrong.

I even returned To Absolute Write and told them that they were right about PA and I wished that I took their advice. It takes a big person to admit when they are wrong. Shortly thereafter I requested that Jenna remove my account, which she did.

Dave Kuzminski of Preditors & Editors even updated his section to read "Today's Woman Appears to be a site for poets, short story writers, and journalists to meet and work. This site appears to be improving quite nicely.”

On Sun Jun 05, 2005 8:09 pm a forum topic was started on the writersweekly forum regarding my writing. The members of WritersWeekly emailed Fiction Factor, where one of my articles was posted to have it removed. She did remove it.

The thread in question consists of many comments regarding my writing and states that I have mental illness issues. In this thread some of the members refer to me as the most abusive woman on the internet and that I have narcissistic personality disorder. Lies were even posted that I called Angela a Nazi. Something that I never did or can they prove I did. Why because I didn't.

Angela allows every business that she ever listed the opportunity to rebuttal. Everyone but me that is.

Regarding Brady, I shared my opinion of her affiliate program and I believe as a dissatisfied customer I have that right too.

As for WritersWeekly Benji was banned at the same time that I was for questioning why threads regarding Booklocker were quickly deleted, yet Angela can post warnings about other businesses.

Just read the thread "Worst experience reading an article."

This is the typical behavior that writersweekly allows to continue.

Anon the many comments posted all over the net are libel. Just so your readers know Sarah!

At 6:46 PM, Blogger Sarah Smith said...

It's nice to see you all standing up for her.She's lucky to have you all as friends.I find myself lucky to be her friend!She is a a sweet lady.

At 6:58 PM, Anonymous Merriam Burke said...

There is one way to measure the personality and behavior of a person, which is behavior over time. Many people have Internet sites and blogs specifically set up to slander and defame Rose DesRochers. Their list of what Rose DesRochers has done is long and has all sorts of accusations in them. People who
post on behalf of Rose DesRochers , or write testimonials favorable to Rose DesRochers, have
known her for a long time. In my case, just a couple months short of two
years. In all that time, had Rose DesRochers truly displayed behaviors she is
accused of, I would have seen those behaviors for myself. Other people
on Todays Woman who write on behalf of Rose DesRochers , have known her for a very
long time. They too know Rose DesRochers on a day-to-day basis and would also have
seen behaviors Rose DesRochers is accused of having. We are not mindless people who
are somehow brainwashed by Rose DesRochers . We are ordinary people who love poetry
and are serious about writing. We have minds of our own and opinions of
our own. Our honest observations of Rose DesRochers has been gathered and observed
through behavior over time. In reality,Rose DesRochers is a very loving and caring
person who gives of herself and of her time for ordinary people like me
who love to write. So if I and others like me defend Rose DesRochers , it is because
we truly know who Rose DesRochers is and what a remarkable person that she is.


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